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Anything goes - Linux, Apple, Vista eye candy - XGL/Compiz - best demo
mzilikazi - 12.08.2006, 14:30 Uhr
Titel: Linux, Apple, Vista eye candy - XGL/Compiz - best demo
http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2915/ ... z_graphics
Cuddles - 12.08.2006, 15:22 Uhr
Titel: RE: Linux, Apple, Vista eye candy - XGL/Compiz - best demo
Wow, mzilikazi, got to admit, even the Apple - imo - beats Vista. What marketting genious decided to show-off solitaire, clock, and the calendar??? At least the Apple demo showed off the "publishing" aspects, whereas, the Linux demo, showed off the shear magnitude of power, for everything... Desktop manipulation, graphics, effects, DVD playback, and not once, had to lower itself to showing off playing a card game, hmmm. Got to admit, not knowing the state of Apple, at least two of the demos, arent "vapor-ware"...
Oh well...
Roughnecks - 12.08.2006, 16:07 Uhr
Titel: RE: Linux, Apple, Vista eye candy - XGL/Compiz - best demo
now, where's the xgl debian package again? 
titan - 12.08.2006, 16:59 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Linux, Apple, Vista eye candy - XGL/Compiz - best de
Roughnecks hat folgendes geschrieben::
now, where's the xgl debian package again?
have a look here if you are desperate.
http://sonique6784.blogspot.com/
michael7 - 12.08.2006, 17:06 Uhr
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Zitat:
the Linux demo, showed off the sheer magnitude of power, for everything... Desktop manipulation, graphics, effects, DVD playback, and not once, had to lower itself to showing off playing a card game, hmmm.
I agree with Cuddles. The Linux XGL/Compiz demo is stunning. Whether it's actually useful, at least from a working desktop standpoint, is another matter. 
michael
P.S. Cuddles, you've moved. Have you seen the fault line down the side of the mountain yet?
slam - 12.08.2006, 17:27 Uhr
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Who cares for usefulness??
XGL/Compiz - and even more the upcoming XAGL - are exactly the missing link in providing a feature in Linux people people love and like to play with!
All those serious reasons "why it is clever to switch to Linux" are true, but boring. People don't like changes, they like games and entertainment. The PC is a success story because people like to spend hours with useless settings and choices, not with serious work.
So, welcome all you developers who understand that, and have fun to entertaining us! 
Greetings,
Chris
Roughnecks - 12.08.2006, 18:24 Uhr
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ok i got xgl running now... thanks to that script.
BUT!
kdm nor gdm is working. i have to start kde manually. and it only works as root. though sux to my user and sux back to root allows me to start the kde session as the right user 
the virtual desktops of kde aren't working anymore, though, i got those four cool cube desktops 
the gnome-window-decorator is stupid...makes kde look like gnome
anyway, i'll try to get my box back working normally... unless someone can tell me how to get xgl to work with kde properly or at least start kdm...
JimC - 12.08.2006, 20:44 Uhr
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I dunno. The eye candy is getting a bit overdone.
Heck, when I installed Kanotix 2006-Easter-RC4 not long ago, the very first thing I did was turn off the transparency feature that was enabled in KDE.
If it had anything more than that, I would have removed it immediately. But, I kept this version on my system for longer than most distros I try, since it was easy to turn off this "feature".
slh - 12.08.2006, 21:07 Uhr
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Roughnecks, reinstall from cd - the only clean option after you successfully killed dpkg and your system.
Roughnecks - 12.08.2006, 21:51 Uhr
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slh hat folgendes geschrieben::
Roughnecks, reinstall from cd - the only clean option after you successfully killed dpkg and your system.
hehe yea i'll do that tomorrow. my (at) for email isn't working anymore, so is 75dpi kde and the (E) euro sign (and some other stuff) 
eco2geek - 13.08.2006, 05:10 Uhr
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michael7 hat folgendes geschrieben::
P.S. Cuddles, you've moved. Have you seen the fault line down the side of the mountain yet?
Word on the street is, she got a job at SCO.
(Don't hurt me, Cuddles, I'm only kidding! 
)
At this stage of the game, if you want to try out XGL, and you've got the hard disk space, you might try downloading and installing openSUSE to a spare partition. Novell came out with it, so it's very easy to install (it's on the install disc) and use.
Daniele - 13.08.2006, 05:38 Uhr
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eco2geek hat folgendes geschrieben::
At this stage of the game, if you want to try out XGL, and you've got the hard disk space, you might try downloading and installing openSUSE to a spare partition. Novell came out with it, so it's very easy to install (it's on the install disc) and use.
Yes, but it makes the whole system unstable.
DeepDayze - 13.08.2006, 06:29 Uhr
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I feel XGL is great and to me it beats Vista Aero and Apple's Spaces hands down. With a bit more polishing it be kickass. Another good reason to NOT buy Vista
jackiebrown - 13.08.2006, 06:46 Uhr
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JimC hat folgendes geschrieben::
I dunno. The eye candy is getting a bit overdone.
I find myself agreeing with you once again.
mzilikazi - 13.08.2006, 07:22 Uhr
Titel: Re: RE: Linux, Apple, Vista eye candy - XGL/Compiz - best de
Roughnecks hat folgendes geschrieben::
now, where's the xgl debian package again?
In time it will come. Remember when everyone got excited because Xorg wasn't yet in Debian? Well turns out it was no big deal to wait a bit and use apt as the gods intended.
Let everyone else work out the bugs and allow the Debian package maintainers to work on the more important things................. like security. If you want to be a bug killer be prepared for the consequences and use a test partition.
mzilikazi - 13.08.2006, 07:37 Uhr
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slam hat folgendes geschrieben::
Who cares for usefulness??
XGL/Compiz - and even more the upcoming XAGL - are exactly the missing link in providing a feature in Linux people people love and like to play with!
Agreed! People DO love to tinker with their desktops and make it do seemingly useless things. BUT while I've not yet tried XGL I have actually found some conveniences provided by transparency that I did not expect. It really allows for a new way of thinking of your desktop and were it a bit more stable (for me) I would probaby use it on a daily basis on the one machine I own that is actually capable of it.
In all fairness I would point out that this wasn't a contest with entries submitted by their repective creators or even a best of show offering from different contestants. As I understand it OSX also uses/can use a (3rd party add on??) spinning cube to switch desktops. Meaning? Who's to say that any of the demos were "the best that they could be"?
I think the point here is that Linux is perfectly capable of doing anything you want. Linux looks sexy. Damned sexy! It installs in a few minutes too. Far easier than Windows. Not to mention security and FOSS in general. The only thing anyone can say about Linux now is "where is application xyz for Linux?" In time...........they will come.
piper - 13.08.2006, 08:02 Uhr
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Very well said !!
Cuddles - 13.08.2006, 16:32 Uhr
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mzilikazi,
Very true... at least, in minimal, you can say, Linux DOES that too... Whereas, most people are in the frame of mind, that, Linux isnt anywhere as close to Windows as they think... In the demos, it does show that Linux not only is as close to Windows, but, it also has it released, sooner than Windows... eg Windows Vista is vapor-ware, but, Linux is "gettable".
Only thing I couldnt see using, from the XGL Linux demo, is the whole "shaking out" of your window, kinda reminded me of ( olden times ) having to shake out a rug or towel in the backyard, why ? it seemed to "why do that?" kind of feeling...
But, the whole desktop cube, seemless video on two desktops, transfering a window from one to the other, was visually, impressive, to me at least...
As for the "eye candy", many will go "overboard" where others will be minimal, if any... thats the nice thing about "personal" - its not what "someone else" wants you to have, but, what YOU want to have... I always thought Windows needed to change there old slogan/motto: from "Where do YOU want to go today" to "Where do WE want YOU to go today" - sounds more like what they are pushing on people, to me, that is...
Oh well, btw, i can be a "moderator", but not a "team member" huh???
JimC - 13.08.2006, 22:56 Uhr
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mzilikazi hat folgendes geschrieben::
I have actually found some conveniences provided by transparency that I did not expect. It really allows for a new way of thinking of your desktop and were it a bit more stable (for me) I would probaby use it on a daily basis on the one machine I own that is actually capable of it..
My first reaction when I saw transparency in Kanotix 2006-easter-rc4 was not good. I could barely see the choices in the KDE menus because of it, and immediately turned it off.
So, I really didn't leave it on long enough to try and see any benefits from it.
I've had the same reaction to it in other distros. I can remember not being able to read the text in a console in one distro I tried because of too much junk showing through. I didn't even bother to try and disable it in that one. I just exited the distro.
I'm sure that some people appreciate the graphics, and perhaps there are some benefits to it. I haven't bothered to look at anything with XGL yet.
But, I went to Windows kicking and screaming some years back, too. I just couldn't see the benefit of a GUI for actually getting work done. lol
And, to be frank, I still think that many well written DOS applications are more efficient. Users spend way too much time using a mouse to get to where they can actually enter or view information, worrying about fonts and colors versus content.
But, I guess we're in the 21st Century now, and I am into things like Digital Photography where there are benefits to a GUI interface.
So, I'm trying to keep an open mind when I see a different approach.
P.S.
I guess I am getting a bit spoiled by some features in a GUI. Copy and Paste is one example. That can save time.
In fact, one thing that is a "pet peeve" with some Linux distros I've tried is copy and paste not working, or working oddly for various reasons like needing to have the source document or folder still open to paste somewhere else after you select and copy.
I've been surprised at the number of Linux distros I've tried that didn't even appear to have the same level of copy and paste functionality that's been in Windows since Win 3.0.
Cuddles - 13.08.2006, 23:21 Uhr
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JimC,
Reminds me of when I was programming... used to use PDS Compiler Basic, and as I was becoming a Guru in that, up came Visual Basic...
I hated it... it works backwords... in compiler basic, you designed the "meat" or processing part of the program, then worked on the user interface, GUI, look and feel, etc... to make it look pretty - but it still worked first... When VB came out, it works the opposite way; you build all the "pretty" stuff first, then, write all the "working" stuff after...
As I have pointed out to people, PDS at least, if you dont have time, you have a working program that just doesnt look pretty, whereas, VB, you got a pretty program, that doesnt work, or do anything...
I see this with what you are saying; people worry more about getting it to look "pretty" first, then work on the other stuff afterwords. Whats more important? Pretty but no substance, or substance that may not look pretty????
Just my thoughts,
JimC - 13.08.2006, 23:48 Uhr
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Well, I guess I appreciate a nice looking screen, with easy to read fonts and colors that have enough contrast so that things are easy on the eyes without looking too "bland".
But, when the eye candy starts getting in the way of actually getting work done (and that's the way I've looked at things like transparency so far), I tend to dislike it.
eco2geek - 14.08.2006, 00:49 Uhr
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Daniele hat folgendes geschrieben::
Yes, but it makes the whole system unstable.
Well, the window manager, anyway. (I never experienced any problems with the underlying system.) IIRC, the worst part was that sometimes menus and dialog boxes in KDE would stop appearing on screen. They were there, you just couldn't see them. Sometimes they'd come back; other times you'd have to restart KDE (with ctrl-alt-backspace because you couldn't see the "end session" button).
(Speaking of Suse, they say they've fixed the major problems with the new package management system now.)
As far as Debian goes, it's probably just as well to wait until XGL is in Sid, integrated into the package management system.
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